The Hidden Gem

Gems carry more than beauty. They carry history, science, culture, and the lives of the people who find, study, cut, trade and treasure them.

The Hidden Gem is a podcast from the Swiss Gemmological Institute (SSEF). In each episode, Laurent Cartier and Michael Krzemnicki sit down with some of the world's leading figures in gemstones and jewellery for in-depth conversations — following the journey from the source to the finished piece, and the human stories at every step.

The Hidden Gem

Latest episodes

Brian Cook: On Paraíba tourmaline and a colour the world had never seen

Brian Cook: On Paraíba tourmaline and a colour the world had never seen

‧ 40m 53s

Geologist and gem hunter Brian Cook joins Laurent Cartier to talk about a life spent chasing crystals in Brazil — and about being one of the first people outside the country to see Paraíba tourmaline. From a chrysocolla pebble given to a high-school girlfriend, to emerald pits in the Bahian outback, to a dinner plate of electric blue stones in a remote town in Rio Grande do Norte, Brian tells the story of a discovery that changed the gem world — and explains why, after four decades, the artisanal mining communities behind the stones matter to him as much as...

Helen Molesworth: On why gems and jewels touch every level of humanity

Helen Molesworth: On why gems and jewels touch every level of humanity

‧ 38m 16s

Jewellery historian and gemmologist Helen Molesworth joins Laurent Cartier at the V&A in London to explore why gems have captivated humanity for thousands of years. From a childhood geode that broke her leg to curating the museum's blockbuster Cartier exhibition, Helen makes the case that no other subject sits at the crossroads of science, history, art and emotion quite like this one.

Enzo Liverino: On precious coral, craftsmanship, and the heritage we pass on

Enzo Liverino: On precious coral, craftsmanship, and the heritage we pass on

‧ 43m 16s

Fourth-generation coral specialist Enzo Liverino joins Laurent Cartier to talk about precious coral — a material humans have prized for thousands of years, from Mediterranean fishermen to Tibet and the kings of Benin. From learning to read a coral branch as a boy in his father's factory in Torre del Greco, to buying rough material in Japan and Taiwan in his twenties, Enzo shares a lifetime of knowledge — and makes the case that what really matters is the culture and heritage we pass on.

Joanna Hardy: On gems and being custodians of what the earth provides

Joanna Hardy: On gems and being custodians of what the earth provides

‧ 61m 31s

Jewellery historian and Antiques Roadshow specialist Joanna Hardy joins Laurent Cartier at Goldsmiths' Hall in London to talk about a career built on curiosity — from a childhood spent surrounded by her godmother's mineral cabinets, to sorting rough diamonds at De Beers in the 1980s, to writing definitive books on ruby, sapphire and emerald. Joanna reflects on what it took to find her way in a male-dominated trade, why trust and reputation still sit at the heart of the gemstone world, and why — even in an age of AI and synthetic stones — the craft, the human stories, and...